David L O'Connor

Citizens For Fair And Clean Government

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Citizens For Fair And Clean Government

Time To Take Out The TRASH !!!

Website: http://www.davidoconnor.ning.com
Location: Tulsa,Ok.
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Walter Foltz Comment by Walter Foltz on September 24, 2009 at 12:18am
I want fair and clean government, I want straight talk, and not alot of mumbo jumbo, like we hear in the mainstream media constantly. I cant even understand what they are saying half of the time. These people have college degree's yet they make up a bunch of nonsense and try to get people to listen to them. How old is our president, because he seeks for attention much more than a two year old infant. Im so sick of seeing his face that I dont hardly watch any TV anymore. I can't even watch the news without him pretending to be something he's not.
S. A. E. Comment by S. A. E. on September 6, 2009 at 7:49am
Great News Green Czar Resigns;
Go to site http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109041
SAE
S. A. E. Comment by S. A. E. on September 4, 2009 at 10:59pm
Check out this site:
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=Cent+sure+America+Police&page=1&qsrc=19&ab=9&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alternet.org%2Fworkplace%2F100689%2Fwill_wall_street%27s_meltdown_turn_america_into_a_police_state%2F%3Fpage%3Dentire
S. A. E. Comment by S. A. E. on August 7, 2009 at 8:35pm
AMERICAN PATRIOT PARTY - The The APP, established in 2003, was "founded on the basic principals set forth by our founding fathers, that the federal government should only have the powers set forth in the framework of the Constitution and all other power to be delegated back to the states. Although everyone has thier own opinions on all issues, we believe it is up to the states to decide what should and should not be mandated, banned or regulated." The APP supports a crackdown on illegal immigration, making English fluency a requirement of US citizenship, abolishing the IRS and repealing the federal income tax, imposing steeper taxes and tariffs on imported goods, abolition of the centralized Federal Reserve System, withdrawing the US from the Untied Nations, imposing a foreign policy of non-interventionism, and ending federal involvement in education. No candidates fielded to date, but the APP have formed party chapters in several states -- with the Oregon state party group taking the lead in attempting to organize a national effort. The APP vows that their candidates will be "statesmen, not politicians." They endorsed Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) for President in 2008, but did not nominate a candidate.
JOHN GRIMALDI Comment by JOHN GRIMALDI on June 25, 2009 at 11:38pm
thank you for the invite
Alexander Freeborn Comment by Alexander Freeborn on June 11, 2009 at 1:35pm
March on Washington DC EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO READ
September 10th thru 12th
Required Attendance From Every Group and Movement

For more Information
http://www.resistnet.com/group/wethepeoplemarchonwashington

WHO NEEDS PUBLIC MEDIA WITH A FORCE OF THIS SIZE! PEOPLE WILL SEE! PEOPLE WILL TALK! WORD OF MOUTH IS A POWERFUL COMMUNICATION FORCE.

Remember this is not a move to take over, manage, change, dictate, or other wise control ANY GROUP OR MOVEMENT. THIS IS A UNIFICATION MOVEMENT TO SAVE AMERICA. EACH GROUP/MOVEMENT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DECLARING THEIR MISSION, GOALS, AND DRIVE TO SAVE AMERICA.

Group/Movement Leaders

A great leader is not one that does all the work, but has the ability to motivate recruit and/or appoint good people, and assign duties. Group/Movement Leaders do not try to do all the work by your self.

First and Foremost, you must develop and put into writing your Declaration

Your Declaration should not be confused with your Groups/Moments Goals, Mission Statement, or Guide Lines.

For some this will be no more than one page, for others it may be up to as many as ten.
The Declaration must be prepared in such a manor that it is a legal binding document. Examine the Declaration of Independence. The foundation for your Groups/Moments Declaration should be stated in a precise and clearly understandable format. It must include all relative documentation and references.

What Obama did legally wrong
What Obamas actions have done to this Nation and it's People (Unemployment, Pain, Destruction of Commerce, ect,)
What are the predictable consequences
How does Obamas agenda contradict The United States Constitution

Your Group/Moment may find it necessary to add to or modify this guide line.

This will be your sword and shield that will stand against all opposition. Recruit as many people as needed for research and development. Read it to one and another. Read it to strangers. Do not use opinions, slanders, and vulgar words. If when read by a stranger it brings shock, and emotional responses, chances are you are almost finished. Once it is finished, it will be submitted to Congress, and depending on its content. It may require submission to the Justice Department, and the US Supreme Court.

Regardless of your beliefs on Medical Marijuana, be sure NO ONE BRINGS, OR USES ANY DRUGS AND ALCOHOL DURING THE MARCH TO FREEDOM. THIS IS FAR TOO IMPORTANT TO IGNORE.

Imagine, not a thousand, not ten thousand, but a million or more people marching on Washington DC. You will have those demanding birth record verification, those who represent State Sovereignty, Gun Rights, Freedom of Religion, Constitutional Rights, and others all coming at Obama at one time.

Talk to everyone, and tell them to stand up and support their Group/Moment and take enough pride in what they are doing so that it gives motivation for the to get up and get going to Washington.

There are hundreds of reasons for many not to be there, but there is only reason each member should be there. TO SAVE AMERICA. This will be a defining moment in American History.

Thank you for your assistance, and God Bless. I know we can do this.
DEBBIE Comment by DEBBIE on June 2, 2009 at 4:59am
Jeff I believe you are right! But I think that IF we dont figure this out soon, these idots will throw us first, they seem to be doing it just with the constitution and our laws, but the contiental is being held this yr and that is going to be their chance to finish the job...just my layman feelings!
Linda Clapp Comment by Linda Clapp on April 25, 2009 at 12:20pm
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/
"Can President be arrested or don't Let america turn into sodom And gomorrah." LOOKING FOR The First Nail in o's coffin!!!
Jeffery J Cole Comment by Jeffery J Cole on April 25, 2009 at 12:18pm
Rick,

Actually those words you quoted were from the Declaration of Independence. Consider the whole context:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

What is meant by the Founders in their use of the terms "alter OR abolish," and more pointedly, to "throw off?"

If we are to compare now, our position against our own government, we might say that there is a big difference between ours and the Founders. I believe they used the terms in an anecdotal connotation. The difference...

1. They (the colonists) had a whole new territory to conquer. If we were to "throw off" our government in the same sense they threw off the Crown, I believe that would mean we have to conquer somebody else, in another land outside of the jurisdiction of the United States (like Mexico) to "establish new guards for our security," while leaving the United States in tack.

So, if we define these terms in the same situation as the Founders were in, Patriots of this nation would have to declare their independence from the United States, conquer Mexico, much like we did the Indians, the French, and the Mexicans, to establish a autonomous jurisdiction.

However, if the meaning of those terms were not confined to their anecdotal experience, then this would leave us open to speculate what they might mean as we consider our own situation...which is:

Analogously speaking, instead of "throwing off" England, how to we change England? Do we define "throwing off" and "abolish" as eliminating the present government while keeping its structure? In other words, do we replace the people only, and keep the structure. Or, do we replace the structure as well as the people?

I believe the difference between a Continental Congress and a Constitutional Convention would answer those questions. If by a Constitutional Convention, it would more than likely take place under our present Congress. That cannot happen!

If, on the other hand, we approached this with a Continental Congress, we can throw out the people and keep the structure. We can determine if we replace the whole, including the Executive and Judiciary, or scare them into compliance with their oath of office.

Either way, Congress must be "throw[n] off." And the best way to do this is a Continental Congress; one that siezes it's constitutional duty to coin its own money and win over our military.

Now we all know here that the Constitution hinges upon the Declaration of Independence. The latter document declares Rights. The former enumerates Rights while restricting government of any encumbrance. To declare ones Rights is to emphatically state that one or many is committed to the exercise therein, and if any one or many get in their way, they are to "throw off" the tyranny.

However, the Founders did not elaborate as to HOW we alter, abolish, or throw off. That is left up to us. And that is why I feel we need to start these discussions now and come to terms with the most effective approach with the least damage. If we do not, the line of demarcation, as thin as it is now, between the People yielding to tyranny or establishing new guards of security, will wither away "as the wind listeth."

In closing, the Declaration of Independence gives us the authority to preserve and protect our Liberties. Consider how, in about half the age of our nation, the government has succeeded in taking two-thirds of our Liberty by taxing roughly one-third of our money. Will there be anything left if they achieve 50%? With 50% of our income left minus living expenses and all of our freedom gone, will we have anything left, besides an appeal to God, to fight with when the proverbial poop hits the fan?
Monique Comment by Monique on April 25, 2009 at 11:41am
I don't believe we need a Constitutional Convention at all. We need to work on getting those lard butts out of Congress!
 

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