Guns

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Permalink Reply by John McCabe on March 30, 2009 at 4:27pm

I am a gun owner, I also have over 2500 rounds of ammo, I have a concealed carry permit which I exercise my right to use it on a daily basis. I now find that ammo is getting very hard to find even in my state of Montana! I just got an email from my gun shop and he says he can only cover half of my order for 1000 rounds of .223 he only has 500 rounds of 40 S&W for my Beretta PX4. This is an indication of how the Obama administration has limited the ammo, and it is going to get worse! I can't even buy the brass and primers to reload my own in enough quantity to make it worth my while. If anyone is serious about the gun issues I would be stocking up on ammo now before it is not available at all.

AR-15
Beretta PX4 compact
Walther P-38
Makrov 9x18
Winchester 30-30
Mosberg 500 12 gage

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Permalink Reply by Ken Merrill on March 30, 2009 at 4:38pm

Telecom Tax Acct said:

Here are my thoughts on the matter. The Founding Fathers gave us the right to bear arms for three reasons. First, so that we can protect ourselves. I think it is irrefutable that when private citizens are allowed to own weapons that crime goes down. It has been proven as far back as 1608 in Okinawa when the Japanese Shogunate banned weapons under penalty of death and banditry skyrocketed. Why people think removing weapons from the law abiding is somehow going to stop the criminals in our society is beyond me. It is completely counter intuitive. Besides, how many people with a concealed carry permit are involved in criminal activity in a manner other than stopping it?

The second reason so we can protect our nation. Okay, I admit we no longer have a hostile nation sitting on our border. However, we do have people going after our neighbors (criminals, etc). And we do have the specter of terrorism. I think it is quite possible, even likely, that terrorism will come to us here in the US. My expectation would be for a series of shopping mall shootings with a few guys carrying grenades and automatic weapons. I know some anti gun activists will say “what about crossfire! Innocent people will be killed!” To this I reply, “more than if the bullets are flying in only one direction?”

The third reason, and the one I never hear a politician mention, is we have the right to bear arms in order to protect ourselves FROM our nation. The Founding Fathers just got finished fighting a brutal war to remove an oppressive government. Without guns, we would still be British subjects. The British knew this, which is why the very first battle, Lexington and Concord, were a result of the British trying to seize the colonists weapons and gunpowder. An armed citizenry is the final check on the power of the State. Without it, we are completely at the mercy of those in power, whether they are elected to that office or not.

That is why I own a gun and will resist any attempt to remove my right to do so. I daresay I will even consider hiding it from the government. It would be a real shame if my gun was “stolen” and I no longer had it, except in my dresser drawer.

All this is not to say I am opposed to all gun control measures. I think there are common sense limitations that protect society and assist law enforcement in catching bad guys while leaving law abiding citizens alone. Requiring safety training prior to the issuing of a concealed carry permit for example. Age limitations. Even registration of the weapon like we register cars. I think these, while putting some limitations on the total freedom of weapon ownership, helps to protect society without undue burden. Obama's positions like banning handguns and levying a heavy tax on ammunition does not fall into that category.

I agree with the three reasons above, but not the order. The Primary reason for the Second Amendment was to protect our God-given rights from our own government.

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Permalink Reply by Edwin Gravitt on March 30, 2009 at 8:06pm

Ken Merrill said:

Telecom Tax Acct said:

Here are my thoughts on the matter. The Founding Fathers gave us the right to bear arms for three reasons. First, so that we can protect ourselves. I think it is irrefutable that when private citizens are allowed to own weapons that crime goes down. It has been proven as far back as 1608 in Okinawa when the Japanese Shogunate banned weapons under penalty of death and banditry skyrocketed. Why people think removing weapons from the law abiding is somehow going to stop the criminals in our society is beyond me. It is completely counter intuitive. Besides, how many people with a concealed carry permit are involved in criminal activity in a manner other than stopping it?

The second reason so we can protect our nation. Okay, I admit we no longer have a hostile nation sitting on our border. However, we do have people going after our neighbors (criminals, etc). And we do have the specter of terrorism. I think it is quite possible, even likely, that terrorism will come to us here in the US. My expectation would be for a series of shopping mall shootings with a few guys carrying grenades and automatic weapons. I know some anti gun activists will say “what about crossfire! Innocent people will be killed!” To this I reply, “more than if the bullets are flying in only one direction?”

The third reason, and the one I never hear a politician mention, is we have the right to bear arms in order to protect ourselves FROM our nation. The Founding Fathers just got finished fighting a brutal war to remove an oppressive government. Without guns, we would still be British subjects. The British knew this, which is why the very first battle, Lexington and Concord, were a result of the British trying to seize the colonists weapons and gunpowder. An armed citizenry is the final check on the power of the State. Without it, we are completely at the mercy of those in power, whether they are elected to that office or not.

That is why I own a gun and will resist any attempt to remove my right to do so. I daresay I will even consider hiding it from the government. It would be a real shame if my gun was “stolen” and I no longer had it, except in my dresser drawer.

All this is not to say I am opposed to all gun control measures. I think there are common sense limitations that protect society and assist law enforcement in catching bad guys while leaving law abiding citizens alone. Requiring safety training prior to the issuing of a concealed carry permit for example. Age limitations. Even registration of the weapon like we register cars. I think these, while putting some limitations on the total freedom of weapon ownership, helps to protect society without undue burden. Obama's positions like banning handguns and levying a heavy tax on ammunition does not fall into that category.

I agree with the three reasons above, but not the order. The Primary reason for the Second Amendment was to protect our God-given rights from our own government.

I might add that when a government requires a permit to exercise a right, it becomes a privilege.
There is a difference. Simply put: Government has NO say about what 'arms' we may keep and bear!
There is NO FREEDOM in compromise and/or moderation.

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Permalink Reply by Edwin Gravitt on April 5, 2009 at 12:14am

What makes America even more beautiful is our unwritten right to be free to succeed or fail
in our honest endeavors; and to enjoy the wonders of nature. Please enjoy My Beautiful America:

http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/mybeautifulamerica.htm

May God bless My Beautiful America and all of US.

Edwin Gravitt
The 2nd Amendment is THE Equal Rights Amendment and it never discriminates against
We the People of these United States of America NOR the arms and ammunition we can bear.

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Permalink Reply by Jason on April 10, 2009 at 12:39am

Its good that everyone has guns but being able to use them in need is another story. Yes guns are fun and great for protection but only if taught how to properly utilized them. If there are people in pockets across the country who own guns but don't have anyone to back each other up in time of need then it is useless to buy guns. If there is ever really going to be a resistance then neighbors and entire neighborhoods need to talk to each other and make plans on how to escape socialism when it comes knocking at the door.

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Permalink Reply by Edwin Gravitt on April 10, 2009 at 9:52am

Jason said:

Its good that everyone has guns but being able to use them in need is another story. Yes guns are fun and great for protection but only if taught how to properly utilized them. If there are people in pockets across the country who own guns but don't have anyone to back each other up in time of need then it is useless to buy guns. If there is ever really going to be a resistance then neighbors and entire neighborhoods need to talk to each other and make plans on how to escape socialism when it comes knocking at the door.

But I repeat myself: The 2nd Amendment is THE Equal Rights Amendment. It does NOT
discriminate between WE the PEOPLE, NOR the ARMS WE BEAR. Government has NO SAY
in the matter!

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Permalink Reply by Edwin Gravitt on April 10, 2009 at 9:56am

Edwin Gravitt said:

Jason said:

Its good that everyone has guns but being able to use them in need is another story. Yes guns are fun and great for protection but only if taught how to properly utilized them. If there are people in pockets across the country who own guns but don't have anyone to back each other up in time of need then it is useless to buy guns. If there is ever really going to be a resistance then neighbors and entire neighborhoods need to talk to each other and make plans on how to escape socialism when it comes knocking at the door.

But I repeat myself: The 2nd Amendment is THE Equal Rights Amendment. It does NOT
discriminate between WE the PEOPLE, NOR the ARMS WE BEAR. Government has NO SAY
in the matter!

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