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Permalink Reply by Bruce K. Brown on March 24, 2009 at 4:13pm

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Permalink Reply by Dave Van Allen Sr (Oathkeeper) on March 24, 2009 at 4:14pm

Lock & Load

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Permalink Reply by Terri Guthrie on March 24, 2009 at 5:16pm

Annette Stewart said:

Guns, what an awesome topic. lol i love this.

Now, I don't now how many of you know this, but the UN has been trying to get our government to take our guns for some time now. I live in Illinois and the gun laws are complete b.s. I want to move southwest lol.

I have been telling people for a long time now that if Obama really believed in the Constitution why didn't he help those law abiding citizens in his own district get their rights returned? Seems obama only wants those who are criminals to use them. he doesn't even want us to be able to defend ourselves against the criminal. they want to make it illegal for us to protect ourselves. who was it that said that if an intruder comes into your home you need to sneak out the window to protect yourself instead of using a gun. what is that? we have to give up our rights and leave our home to criminals? what kind of right is that?

i suggest that everyone in this forum read the Cloward-Piven Strategy @ http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strateg...

this will explain exactly what obama is doing. he learned this strategy in columbia and he taught it in the university of chicago. now he is applying it as president. thank you for your time. annie

Good article, Annette. "Create a crisis"...that's what everyone was accusing Bush of doing when he supposedly had the WTC blown up! LOL!!

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Permalink Reply by Kidnap America on March 25, 2009 at 2:53pm

For now, the guns and ammo still are available at the gun shows. Stock up now while you can.

Ross Richard Blankert said:

Gun sales are up 600 percent. There is a shortage of ammo and hard to get guns in many places. Criminals can get the guns easier. That's ok because we will be deemed criminals if we have a gun according to OBAMA.
He fosters the murder of babies and old people but not the defense of decent folks in the country. Something needs to be done to end liberalism in this country.

Ross Richard Blankert said:

Mike Lee said:

Phil said:

Where I live , people look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them I DON'T have a gun. It will not happen here without a lot of turmoil if at all. And I'm looking to buy not only a gun, but reloaders too. Any idea if the new "proposals" address gun reloading equipment? I had a gunsmith/friend years ago that hardly ever bought ammo, he would just police his brass, and reload it........it was a lot cheaper and still is I'm sure.

Yes, they will try to restrict reloaders, and that would happen due to the requirement for a number to be etched on the brass and the bullet butt.

I am in the process of learning to reload my 45 ACP ammo, as it is 35 cents per round in the stores, but about half that to reload...not counting the initial reloading equipment cost, of course. I am going to consider it "Therapy"...

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Permalink Reply by RJ on March 26, 2009 at 10:06pm

Yes, it's all about people control! If we're armed they can't impose their draconian plans on us so in the name of saving the children and so on they will pull our gun rights and ability to resist right out from under us!

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Permalink Reply by Goldbug36 on March 26, 2009 at 10:23pm

It is nearly impossible to get a gun or ammo now. I have had a gun on back order for two months. Of course, I live in the idiotic State of Illinois, from whence came the biggest gun-hater in history, one of only two states that does not allow concealed carry, period. I am strongly considering moving out of this state, even though I own my home here. I also joined the NRA a couple of years ago. Holy cow, I'm a great-grandmother .. is this what we're supposed to be doing in our senior years?

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Permalink Reply by Edwin Gravitt on March 27, 2009 at 2:49am

The victims of the Waco Massacre in Texas had their cold dead fingers melted into their guns.
All gun control laws are in violation of the 2A. Rights are rights, there is no compromise or
moderation in freedom.

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Permalink Reply by RJ on March 29, 2009 at 12:26am

Yes, it is all about people control. obama is a student of marxist studys and knows from all the past transitions to a marxist system gun control is a needed first step. Once guns are controlled they can be banned and confiscated. Those that resist can be labelled as law breakers, criminals and enemies of the state. They can then be rounded up, imprisoned, controlled and in needed disposed of. It's the ugly side of socialism/marxism that they will never admit to.

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Permalink Reply by John McCabe on March 30, 2009 at 4:27pm

I am a gun owner, I also have over 2500 rounds of ammo, I have a concealed carry permit which I exercise my right to use it on a daily basis. I now find that ammo is getting very hard to find even in my state of Montana! I just got an email from my gun shop and he says he can only cover half of my order for 1000 rounds of .223 he only has 500 rounds of 40 S&W for my Beretta PX4. This is an indication of how the Obama administration has limited the ammo, and it is going to get worse! I can't even buy the brass and primers to reload my own in enough quantity to make it worth my while. If anyone is serious about the gun issues I would be stocking up on ammo now before it is not available at all.

AR-15
Beretta PX4 compact
Walther P-38
Makrov 9x18
Winchester 30-30
Mosberg 500 12 gage

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Permalink Reply by Ken Merrill on March 30, 2009 at 4:38pm

Telecom Tax Acct said:

Here are my thoughts on the matter. The Founding Fathers gave us the right to bear arms for three reasons. First, so that we can protect ourselves. I think it is irrefutable that when private citizens are allowed to own weapons that crime goes down. It has been proven as far back as 1608 in Okinawa when the Japanese Shogunate banned weapons under penalty of death and banditry skyrocketed. Why people think removing weapons from the law abiding is somehow going to stop the criminals in our society is beyond me. It is completely counter intuitive. Besides, how many people with a concealed carry permit are involved in criminal activity in a manner other than stopping it?

The second reason so we can protect our nation. Okay, I admit we no longer have a hostile nation sitting on our border. However, we do have people going after our neighbors (criminals, etc). And we do have the specter of terrorism. I think it is quite possible, even likely, that terrorism will come to us here in the US. My expectation would be for a series of shopping mall shootings with a few guys carrying grenades and automatic weapons. I know some anti gun activists will say “what about crossfire! Innocent people will be killed!” To this I reply, “more than if the bullets are flying in only one direction?”

The third reason, and the one I never hear a politician mention, is we have the right to bear arms in order to protect ourselves FROM our nation. The Founding Fathers just got finished fighting a brutal war to remove an oppressive government. Without guns, we would still be British subjects. The British knew this, which is why the very first battle, Lexington and Concord, were a result of the British trying to seize the colonists weapons and gunpowder. An armed citizenry is the final check on the power of the State. Without it, we are completely at the mercy of those in power, whether they are elected to that office or not.

That is why I own a gun and will resist any attempt to remove my right to do so. I daresay I will even consider hiding it from the government. It would be a real shame if my gun was “stolen” and I no longer had it, except in my dresser drawer.

All this is not to say I am opposed to all gun control measures. I think there are common sense limitations that protect society and assist law enforcement in catching bad guys while leaving law abiding citizens alone. Requiring safety training prior to the issuing of a concealed carry permit for example. Age limitations. Even registration of the weapon like we register cars. I think these, while putting some limitations on the total freedom of weapon ownership, helps to protect society without undue burden. Obama's positions like banning handguns and levying a heavy tax on ammunition does not fall into that category.

I agree with the three reasons above, but not the order. The Primary reason for the Second Amendment was to protect our God-given rights from our own government.

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Permalink Reply by Edwin Gravitt on March 30, 2009 at 8:06pm

Ken Merrill said:

Telecom Tax Acct said:

Here are my thoughts on the matter. The Founding Fathers gave us the right to bear arms for three reasons. First, so that we can protect ourselves. I think it is irrefutable that when private citizens are allowed to own weapons that crime goes down. It has been proven as far back as 1608 in Okinawa when the Japanese Shogunate banned weapons under penalty of death and banditry skyrocketed. Why people think removing weapons from the law abiding is somehow going to stop the criminals in our society is beyond me. It is completely counter intuitive. Besides, how many people with a concealed carry permit are involved in criminal activity in a manner other than stopping it?

The second reason so we can protect our nation. Okay, I admit we no longer have a hostile nation sitting on our border. However, we do have people going after our neighbors (criminals, etc). And we do have the specter of terrorism. I think it is quite possible, even likely, that terrorism will come to us here in the US. My expectation would be for a series of shopping mall shootings with a few guys carrying grenades and automatic weapons. I know some anti gun activists will say “what about crossfire! Innocent people will be killed!” To this I reply, “more than if the bullets are flying in only one direction?”

The third reason, and the one I never hear a politician mention, is we have the right to bear arms in order to protect ourselves FROM our nation. The Founding Fathers just got finished fighting a brutal war to remove an oppressive government. Without guns, we would still be British subjects. The British knew this, which is why the very first battle, Lexington and Concord, were a result of the British trying to seize the colonists weapons and gunpowder. An armed citizenry is the final check on the power of the State. Without it, we are completely at the mercy of those in power, whether they are elected to that office or not.

That is why I own a gun and will resist any attempt to remove my right to do so. I daresay I will even consider hiding it from the government. It would be a real shame if my gun was “stolen” and I no longer had it, except in my dresser drawer.

All this is not to say I am opposed to all gun control measures. I think there are common sense limitations that protect society and assist law enforcement in catching bad guys while leaving law abiding citizens alone. Requiring safety training prior to the issuing of a concealed carry permit for example. Age limitations. Even registration of the weapon like we register cars. I think these, while putting some limitations on the total freedom of weapon ownership, helps to protect society without undue burden. Obama's positions like banning handguns and levying a heavy tax on ammunition does not fall into that category.

I agree with the three reasons above, but not the order. The Primary reason for the Second Amendment was to protect our God-given rights from our own government.

I might add that when a government requires a permit to exercise a right, it becomes a privilege.
There is a difference. Simply put: Government has NO say about what 'arms' we may keep and bear!
There is NO FREEDOM in compromise and/or moderation.

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Permalink Reply by Edwin Gravitt on April 5, 2009 at 12:14am

What makes America even more beautiful is our unwritten right to be free to succeed or fail
in our honest endeavors; and to enjoy the wonders of nature. Please enjoy My Beautiful America:

http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/mybeautifulamerica.htm

May God bless My Beautiful America and all of US.

Edwin Gravitt
The 2nd Amendment is THE Equal Rights Amendment and it never discriminates against
We the People of these United States of America NOR the arms and ammunition we can bear.

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