$1 Trillion Stimulus

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Permalink Reply by James D Rutz on January 7, 2009 at 1:28pm

I see the Trillion dollar stimulus plan as a fake plan. I mean really a few short years ago we had Y2K and all the devastation it was supposed to bring. All the time, energy, and money that was spent in trying to be prepared for all the disasters that Y2K was supposed to bring, airplanes falling from the sky, trains stopping, even refrigerators would quit working, nothing to speak of happened except people were worked up into a frenzy.

And a frenzy is what we have now. The "Worst economy" that Barak Obama claims we are in is no where near the economy that our nation endured under the Carter Administration. We got out of that economy by having having the business climate improve, on its own.

Barak Obama has claimed that,“Potentially we’ve got trillion-dollar deficits for years to come, even with the economic recovery that we are working on.” is a very glib almost trite statement that can be read as oh, well we are falling down anyway so we might as well try to fall in the mud puddle. If I read his statement with any sort of thinking about the consequences of his words our children cannot pay off this dept as he does not care what type of restrictions he puts on them.

The Stimulus plan does not address the root causes of our current economic problems. The government hiring more people does not address the tax burden placed on businesses or individuals, does not address the business cycle or the housing cycle, does not address the graft that was on in the financial industry, and it does not address the mismanagement that was going on. But rather it says the same old tired Democratic mantra, if we through money at it it will go away.

This type of plan has never worked. If I look I see we still have the homeless, we still have the poor, we still have horrible education, and we still have all sorts of things that we have been told that if we just spend more money things will get better. Yes, well, Y3K is coming too.

Does anyone know where Nero put his fiddle?

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Permalink Reply by Gypsy on January 7, 2009 at 1:45pm

One of the scary things about this is that even during the primaries and into the general election - on the rare occasions that Barack Obama was asked (remember the debates) WHERE he was willing to CUT his spending or what programs he would put on the back burner - he repeatedly stated that he would do a "line by line" look at the budget and adjust programs as necessary, however, his various programs would NOT be cut, suspended or tossed out due to the economy. He told everyone he was going to spend, spend and spend some more and the idiots voted for him anyway.

Last I heard we are a "free market, capitalist based country" - what happened to when a business does well it succeeds - when it does not - it fails? Why are we spending billions and trillions of dollars to bail out businesses that are allegedly too big to fail? What does that mean anyway? Everything that is happening is a direction into socialism. I cannot stomach it.

To be fair - in full disclosure - with our income level what it is, my disabilities and the lack of medical insurance (too little to buy insurance and too much to get state aid)..... his proposed programs are designed (from what he says) to help people just like me. However - if I am one who desperately NEEDS these services and do not want to see this type of stuff happening - what about all of those who do not need them? Why should they pay for my medical bills or my groceries? I manage now - we live on a tight budget but we do okay. Why in the heck should anyone else have to pay MY way????? It is simply not right and it is so wrong on so many levels!

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Permalink Reply by ProtestTheLeft on January 7, 2009 at 1:46pm

My understanding is that the so-called stimulus plan is really just a liberal power grab of all American's retirement funds, it's a scam sam!

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Permalink Reply by FLASH on January 7, 2009 at 2:11pm

Do you hear that sucking sound? That's tax dollars being taken from those not even born yet. Disgusting, Ignorant, Immoral, Evil, you get my drift.

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Permalink Reply by Fairley Blankenship on January 7, 2009 at 2:18pm

Well this is it! To be honest the elite in the World have a plan for america to fall by 2010.Ever heard of the Illuminati and the New World Order? Hello...Obama is a puppet for them also. Pres. Busj went behind Congress to merge Mexico, Cananda and the Us together by 2010 for the North American Union! Search it out! One money system...then by 2010 the world will be split up into 10 regions. I am a prohecy nut and love to listen to endtime.com radio's program Politics & Religion. They have a plan for this new world order and if you don't go along with the program then guess what you will be the terrorist...this is fact..just go search it out! Rex 84 camps.....they mean business and they are breaking the back of america thru all this! High gas prices then fannie and freddie mae..probally got that wrong but however and now all these bailouts and they know it isn't going to work. So what do you do???? Live today and enjoy every freedom I have and yes stand against this in a right way..but be prepared for tommorow......It is going to take the ggod Lord from above to get us thru these times we are going to face!

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Permalink Reply by jerry eugene hammock on April 29, 2009 at 6:19pm

You got it.All we can hope to do is slow it down.GOD is the only answer to this mess.

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Permalink Reply by John P. on January 7, 2009 at 3:50pm

A HORRIBLE plan it does nothing to help the root cause, it is a scam. This gonna be worse than Jimmy Carter I think. We need to cut Business Taxes in an effort to encourage spending/investing. We need to fix the banking industry bad.

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Permalink Reply by James D Rutz on January 7, 2009 at 5:46pm

BugEaters, you are quite correct. We do need to write our local editors. We do need to generate some more interest in our web site. An efective site should have hundreds of people joining daily not the few we are getting.

It is in this lite I ask all to ask their friends, neighbors, coworkers, and relatives to come and take part.

BugEaters1 said:

I challenge you all to write a letter to the editor of your newspapers. Our campaigns here hopefully will gain inertia. Let's not forget the AYO's (All You Others). Feel free to use the following:


To the Editor:

It's time to reframe the parameters of our nation's fiscal debate. When introducing new policy proposals, candidates for federal office have learned to anticipate the inevitable question: "How do you plan to pay for it?" But often times, after being provided with some basic explanation, the reporters chasing after the candidates don't have the information at hand to take the exchange to the next level.

More recently, as the economy has worsened, the quality of the discussion between candidates and the press over economic policy has improved to a small degree. The media now weighs candidates' plans in terms of whether they will increase or ease the pressure on us and on our government.

However, this level of discourse still falls short. Given our current and projected financial condition, the nation's fiscal debate must be entirely reframed. It is no longer enough for a candidate to simply offer a proposal and discuss how he or she plans to pay for it.

The official national debt is approaching $11 trillion. But what the OMB calls the real national debt, including current explicit liabilities and unfunded promises for entitlement programs, is $56,400,000,000,000. That's $184,000 for each and every one of us. Social Security and Medicare alone account for $41 trillion of this staggering total and, thanks to compounding, their share grows by $2 trillion to $3 trillion per year on autopilot. Rising health care costs are outpacing overall economic and income growth and, absent dramatic and fundamental reforms, eventually could bankrupt the country. Based on our current entitlement and other spending, taxes would have to more than double over the next few decades in order for the government to pay its bills and deliver on its promises.

Given these conditions, please start asking candidates for public office the following questions:

Q. Do you believe that the nation will be able to grow its way out of the economic challenges it faces, without requiring additional spending cuts or tax increases beyond those you're already proposing? If not, what is your proposed approach for addressing the federal government's $56,400,000,000,000 financial hole?

Q. Has the time come for a base-line review of all major spending programs and tax preferences, and if not, why not?

Q. Would you support the creation of an independent, bipartisan commission(similar to the Grace Commission of the '80's), to review the nation's fiscal future and make recommendations to your administration and the next Congress about a range of reforms (e.g., budget controls, Social Security, health care, taxes)?

By asking these questions, maybe we can finally start getting to the root of the country's long-term economic challenges.

Sincerely yours,

Your Name

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Permalink Reply by Joan K. NY State Director on January 7, 2009 at 6:47pm

This is exactly what BO wants... socialism on a massive scale. We will all be owned by the government at this rate. The middle class is doomed.

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Permalink Reply by Debi on January 7, 2009 at 7:32pm

I am a history major, and history shows us that those who do not know history are easily swayed. I believe that we have seen this proven in the presidential election. I believe that we should let the free market system play out. We should allow the market to self adjust. One of our biggest problems in this country is that we have been mislead into believing that everyone should have high self esteem. This was a huge movement in education a few years back. It threw many teenagers into a tizzy when they graduated from high school and found out that if you didn't do you job, you were shown the door, and if you didn't legitimately make the grade, the university severed their relationship with you. So now, we are experiencing mindsets that believe that we are owed a good life. Life is tough and the older you get, the tougher it gets. Whatever happened to living out the adage that "when the going gets tough, the tough get going." Now the mindset seems to be that when the going gets tough, look to the government to bail you out through some kind of entitlement program. As more and more people look to the government as their "savior" to meet their needs, etc. the quicker we are going to turn into a non-existent country. History proves that when any great nation or empire fell, that country/empire was in moral decay. We are there. In the paraphrased words of Khalil Gibran we should be asking what we can do for our country, not asking what our country can do for us. Once again, the free market will work if we will just let it. It will be rough going for awhile, but the United States will not be trillions of dollars in debt.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Ryan on January 7, 2009 at 8:03pm

It is being reported on Drudge that China is balking at purchasing any more of our debt. I believe in short order the dollar will collapse. It is time to begin planning an alternative government. There is simply too large a divide between conservatives and liberals to "get along". WE MUST START OVER. Leaving the Union will happen. The only question is whether or not we will be prepared. Do not forget the lessons we were taught in the failing of the Soviet Union.
Once the dollar collapses we will have panic and chaos. If we leave the Union we do not take THEIR debt. We will have our own money (hopefully on a hard asset standard), and the ability to do away with all the shackles liberals have imposed on business.
People, it is time to begin discussing this. It may sound conspiratorial and kooky now, but I believe you will come over to my side in short order. At least start thinking about it.

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Permalink Reply by bryan4257 on January 7, 2009 at 8:29pm

Problem is, the Congress will decide, and half of the Republicans are moderates , and some of the rest are really angry Dems!

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